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But doesn't feel the same way about men doing the same thing. Good observation.
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"and Lena's part should be coming shortly after."
...sure, really short after...
Seems that she is suffering a lot with this game. maybe its time to scrap it and do something smaller or a kinetic novel instead.
...sure, really short after...
Seems that she is suffering a lot with this game. maybe its time to scrap it and do something smaller or a kinetic novel instead.
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I'm really a lot more interested in Lena's part so would be sad to see her get sidelined like that. Would much rather wait for the complete thing.
We've had this conversation and y'all are just cluttering up the feed making it harder to find relevant news and actually discussion of character and plot.
Cluttering up threads with literally nothing but boring opinions that don't matter, mean nothing, and will accomplish even less.
Wonder how many of the people whinging about Eva Kiss splitting it up into two parts were only a day ago whinging about her "milking" the subs for having not released anything so far and who, if she announced it was only a couple months away from a full release, would be condemning her once again as "lazy dev" and how she should instead split it up...
Personally I don't mind it, if in part because I feel the Ian stuff is more interesting if not perfect in terms of characterisation (OTT stuff like sex with Minerva are a real low point in my view), given male protag games on here that aren't delusional egotism about being a "sex god" who immediately fucks a dozen supermodels after one five minute conversation are few and far between, while Lena's stuff to me feels like EK can't decide whether to do something new or rely on what worked in GGGB and it's weaker for it.
Personally I don't mind it, if in part because I feel the Ian stuff is more interesting if not perfect in terms of characterisation (OTT stuff like sex with Minerva are a real low point in my view), given male protag games on here that aren't delusional egotism about being a "sex god" who immediately fucks a dozen supermodels after one five minute conversation are few and far between, while Lena's stuff to me feels like EK can't decide whether to do something new or rely on what worked in GGGB and it's weaker for it.
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I will give an unpopular opinion, but for me these long releases become a pain. A lot of good games releasing something like 2-3 times in a year. A shitload of things can happen in a week, not to mention in a year, especially in these anxious times when every year is more fucked up than the last. So it's better to get content sooner than when there's no time for it. Sorry for being so negative.
But of course the main reason is that no matter how interesting the game is, the interest really fades away, especially over such a long period of time. When you have to go back to the game and for 20 minutes trying to figure out what was going on before, and then another 20 minutes later, that's it. End of update.
I've said it before that because of her approach to development, the time between updates will continue to increase on one way or another. The only thing I fear is the possibility of Eve's hidden motives. It would be quite ironic, she was writing for so long about corruption in games, and once she gained popularity and more money, she ended up being a corrupted developer herself
Of course that's not an accusation, I just think the possibility exists.
But of course the main reason is that no matter how interesting the game is, the interest really fades away, especially over such a long period of time. When you have to go back to the game and for 20 minutes trying to figure out what was going on before, and then another 20 minutes later, that's it. End of update.
I've said it before that because of her approach to development, the time between updates will continue to increase on one way or another. The only thing I fear is the possibility of Eve's hidden motives. It would be quite ironic, she was writing for so long about corruption in games, and once she gained popularity and more money, she ended up being a corrupted developer herself
Of course that's not an accusation, I just think the possibility exists.
If it takes more months, it's milking consumers and if it releases chapter 10 now, it's supposedly being "lazy", according to the above comment.
Do you know what these points have in common? None of them justify so many months without updates.
Do you know what these points have in common? None of them justify so many months without updates.
'So what are you doing tonight?'
"Watching the debates."
'Debates?.. What deb- oh..Is this like local politics or something?'
"Nah. Just the game I jerk off to."
"Watching the debates."
'Debates?.. What deb- oh..Is this like local politics or something?'
"Nah. Just the game I jerk off to."
The one thing that confuses me here is that both Ian's and Lena's parts are often dependent on each other's decisions, depending on your chosen path. Seems like Eva will have to do a little more work this way to bring a playable Ian update to life that either doesn't depend on Lena's choices in this update or auto-generates her choices based on the user's choices from previous chapters. In either scenario, she might have to retcon the code a bit once Lena's half is added, scrapping a bit of work to make an Ian-only update possible. Plus extra testing for each split Ian/Lena release. It's hard to estimate how much extra work that'll be exactly, though.View attachment 1961510
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Hi guys,
After my week off I've kept working at chapter 10 and I'm almost done with Ian's part. All that's left is to finish a couple scenes and revise everything, adding and correcting when needed. The art's all drawn and I've been editing the colored versions, producing some of the final illustrations.
As I keep trying to push the pace, manage all the aspects of the project and the business and keep the final quality to the standard you're used to, I struggle between taking my time and rushing, and as you know, I always feel like I'm lagging behind. My goal is to provide the best game I can, but also to keep you entertained with content, and I hate feeling I'm taking too long.
Some of you suggested in the past that I could release the chapters in two separate blocks, since Ian and Lena have parallel story lines. It's not the way I envisioned it, but you guys deserve some content and I've decided that's the way I'll do it for Chapter 10. This way you'll be able to play Ian's part of the chapter during August, and I can also share with you the results of all the work that we've been doing during these past weeks.
I'll finish writing everything this week and keep working on finalizing the art, then all that's left would be to playtest and iron out all the bugs. Hopefully you can enjoy all the new scenes and story developments, and Lena's part should be coming shortly after.
Thanks again for your support and I hope you'll enjoy what's coming
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Facepalm was just for calling someone a boomer. That was pure, unadulterated cringe. Sorry, man. Wasn't otherwise totally disagreeing with your post, except for the "whiners" and "crying" bit. Technically, I'd put the complaints about delays more in the simple "bitching" category. It's a little lighter on the hostility.
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Ian's part in this new chapter shouldn't be dependent on the choice made in Lena's part in the same chapter. Only Lena's would be dependent on Ian's.
Unpopular take, but I think splitting up the release like this is fine. There's going to be more branches per chapter than what it was earlier, splitting up the chapter into individual character based releases at this point makes sense to me.
Unpopular take, but I think splitting up the release like this is fine. There's going to be more branches per chapter than what it was earlier, splitting up the chapter into individual character based releases at this point makes sense to me.
The thing that I imagine could be counterproductive for Eva with releasing Ian's part first and then Lena's part is that she might find when she is working on Lena's part of the story that she might have a new idea and want to change something on Ian's side of the story as the two go hand in hand. If she has already released Ian's part, it limits her ability to be able to make these changes unless of course she does another remaster or makes these changes in the final release of the chapter. I fear this release structure she has proposed will interfere with her creative process and put further restrictions on her writing and development of the chapters in the future. I hope I am wrong, but I think having the creative freedoms and fluidity to make changes to the writing of the chapter anytime before the chapter release is important for the writer's vision of the project, especially for someone like Eva who many have said use the gardening method in her writing.
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I'm with you on Lena's content frequently being an unfun slog, but I don't see how splitting it off into its own update will ameliorate that in the slightest. Sure, this update won't face that problem, but the next update in 4+ months will have nothing but that. I think I'd rather keep the halves together in a (hopefully) cohesive whole, even if it takes longer. Guess we'll see how it works in practice.
I don't see how this can be a one time occurrence. The whole problem is that Eva is struggling with writer's block. I had hoped the Remaster would alleviate those problems (by pruning problematic paths and streamlining the others), but it seems pretty clear that did not happen. I think Eva has some ideas of where she wants things to end up in the long run, but she doesn't know how to get there; every time she tries a step forward, she's swamped by all the ways that step propels other characters in directions she didn't intend.
That's my guess anyway, and I'm afraid I don't see any sign of that changing. If she really were on cusp of a breakthrough I don't think she'd divide the chapter this way.
I assume if she were to do this, she might design it that way. But it seems like it would limit flexibility from a storytelling standpoint, plus give one MC lopsided power in making game-changing decisions vs the other MC, at least for that chapter. If she does go this route for future chapters, I'd speculate she may alternate the lead MC for each chapter to even that out a bit. Might feel a bit jostling though, as that wasn't the structure in previous chapters, where both characters' decisions often affected each other within the same episode.
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There wasn't a single rule dictating logic behind POV switches, it's decided by the plotlines featured in each chapter. Only Chapters 2, 3, 4, 7, and 8 have multiple switches. Chapters 1, 5, 6, and 9 have entire Ian's POV followed by Lena's POV until the end of the chapter. You can even count Chapter 2 as a linear Ian-to-Lena switch because the last Ian's POV part had nothing to do with Lena's decisions (aside from a couple of lines here and there referencing how their date went) and is mostly about meeting with Alison and Cherry. As a rule, it's very rare when Ian has to deal with Lena's decisions in the same chapter. Most often Ian starts the actual choices that impact the chapter, and then Lena reacts to them. Ian mostly reacts to Lena's choices that come from previous chapters.
I don't really see how releasing Ian's part first is supposed to go in the way of fluidity. We have to remember that Chapters come in stages: Alpha > Beta > Final. There's no point in polishing Ian's part alone to its Final stage, it only has to be playable enough so it doesn't have game-breaking bugs. So, Eva can release Ian's Alpha part, and then immediately continue working on Lena's part, releasing the full Chapter 10 Alpha with both parts present and necessary changes implemented to Ian's part, and then polish the entire chapter in the Beta and Final releases like always. It's just one extra release to compensate for increased development time. You can think of Ian's part as a pre-Alpha teaser of Chapter 10. Back in the day, Eva used to share early pre-Alpha builds of GGGB updates with top-tier patrons.
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aaa so this month is Ian's part, nice..., so new Cindy content right? did she say anything about her?
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Come on man, didn't mean to offend anyone. People have become overly sensitive these days and get offended by harmless teasers.Facepalm was just for calling someone a boomer. That was pure, unadulterated cringe. Sorry, man. Wasn't otherwise totally disagreeing with your post, except for the "whiners" and "crying" bit. Technically, I'd put the complaints about delays more in the simple "bitching" category. It's a little lighter on the hostility.
I'm much more annoyed that some people started bullying Eva for a long development cycle, accusing her of milking, scamming and laziness. She's really having trouble with a game that's getting huge and complex, but she doesn't deserve that.
So, if dev wants to release update in parts, it means that Ian wont see a video send to him by Jeremy where he is f*cking Lena
But if the patreons don't mind waiting more, she should just take time and end Lena part
But if the patreons don't mind waiting more, she should just take time and end Lena part
It seems patreons don't mind waiting a couple of weeks more for the Lena part. Not a couple of months.So, if dev wants to release update in parts, it means that Ian wont see a video send to him by Jeremy where he is f*cking Lena
But if the patreons don't mind waiting more, she should just take time and end Lena part
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And she will. It's just this time she can get feedback and bug reports on Ian's part while simultaneously working on Lena's part. So if it happens again that a certain scene becomes controversial and requires adjustments, she can quickly fix Ian's part and write Lena's part with those narrative adjustments already in mind.